Comments on: Frameworks, my take on it http://www.dreaminginflash.com/2008/05/20/frameworks-my-take-on-it/ There is no universally agreed-upon biological definition of dreaming Fri, 21 Oct 2011 17:05:05 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.1 hourly 1 By: Creating an AIR RSS Reader Application from Scratch with Flex and PureMVC | Free Tutorial 4 All http://www.dreaminginflash.com/2008/05/20/frameworks-my-take-on-it/comment-page-1/#comment-924 Creating an AIR RSS Reader Application from Scratch with Flex and PureMVC | Free Tutorial 4 All Wed, 13 May 2009 16:06:06 +0000 http://www.dreaminginflash.com/2008/05/20/frameworks-my-take-on-it/#comment-924 [...] As a final note I would like to point out that there are several alternatives to Pure MVC and all have their strong and weak points, I’ve written a small article about them  at Dreaming In Flash. [...]

[...] As a final note I would like to point out that there are several alternatives to Pure MVC and all have their strong and weak points, I’ve written a small article about them  at Dreaming In Flash. [...]

]]> By: Creating an AIR RSS Reader Application from Scratch with Flex and PureMVC « N3t.ir - Web Resources, Web Design News & Tips, Open Source http://www.dreaminginflash.com/2008/05/20/frameworks-my-take-on-it/comment-page-1/#comment-923 Creating an AIR RSS Reader Application from Scratch with Flex and PureMVC « N3t.ir - Web Resources, Web Design News & Tips, Open Source Wed, 13 May 2009 12:31:51 +0000 http://www.dreaminginflash.com/2008/05/20/frameworks-my-take-on-it/#comment-923 [...] As a final note I would like to point out that there are several alternatives to Pure MVC and all have their strong and weak points, I’ve written a small article about them  at Dreaming In Flash. [...]

[...] As a final note I would like to point out that there are several alternatives to Pure MVC and all have their strong and weak points, I’ve written a small article about them  at Dreaming In Flash. [...]

]]> By: Creating an AIR RSS Reader Application from Scratch with Flex and PureMVC - The Tech Labs http://www.dreaminginflash.com/2008/05/20/frameworks-my-take-on-it/comment-page-1/#comment-876 Creating an AIR RSS Reader Application from Scratch with Flex and PureMVC - The Tech Labs Mon, 13 Apr 2009 10:31:27 +0000 http://www.dreaminginflash.com/2008/05/20/frameworks-my-take-on-it/#comment-876 [...] As a final note I would like to point out that there are several alternatives to Pure MVC and all have their strong and weak points, I’ve written a small article about them  at Dreaming In Flash. [...]

[...] As a final note I would like to point out that there are several alternatives to Pure MVC and all have their strong and weak points, I’ve written a small article about them  at Dreaming In Flash. [...]

]]> By: Idoru http://www.dreaminginflash.com/2008/05/20/frameworks-my-take-on-it/comment-page-1/#comment-808 Idoru Fri, 13 Feb 2009 11:32:14 +0000 http://www.dreaminginflash.com/2008/05/20/frameworks-my-take-on-it/#comment-808 Hi Jason, I understand them, the way that i went about it was to try them in a large scale project. That said PureMVC has a lot more to offer than cairngorm. I guess it might come down to personal preference but, in this case i don't think it does, because cairngorm just feels clunky and restrictive. I do keep up with the developments of both of them but i still prefer a modified version of PureMVC because it gives me more control and flexibility. Hi Jason,
I understand them, the way that i went about it was to try them in a large scale project. That said PureMVC has a lot more to offer than cairngorm.
I guess it might come down to personal preference but, in this case i don’t think it does, because cairngorm just feels clunky and restrictive. I do keep up with the developments of both of them but i still prefer a modified version of PureMVC because it gives me more control and flexibility.

]]> By: Jason http://www.dreaminginflash.com/2008/05/20/frameworks-my-take-on-it/comment-page-1/#comment-802 Jason Tue, 03 Feb 2009 01:20:04 +0000 http://www.dreaminginflash.com/2008/05/20/frameworks-my-take-on-it/#comment-802 My opinion is that if you're a professional Flex developer you should at least know the basics of Cairngorm and/or PureMVC. If for no other reason than to keep your skills sharp. It's good to have your own opinion, but if you just dismiss them entirely it may appear to hiring managers that a) you've never worked on a large scale project, b) you're not receptive to standard practices, or c) you don't keep up with latest trends in your field. You shouldn't use a framework for every project, but it is good to understand them and know when they may or may not be helpful. My opinion is that if you’re a professional Flex developer you should at least know the basics of Cairngorm and/or PureMVC. If for no other reason than to keep your skills sharp. It’s good to have your own opinion, but if you just dismiss them entirely it may appear to hiring managers that a) you’ve never worked on a large scale project, b) you’re not receptive to standard practices, or c) you don’t keep up with latest trends in your field.

You shouldn’t use a framework for every project, but it is good to understand them and know when they may or may not be helpful.

]]> By: Idoru http://www.dreaminginflash.com/2008/05/20/frameworks-my-take-on-it/comment-page-1/#comment-552 Idoru Thu, 23 Oct 2008 08:30:24 +0000 http://www.dreaminginflash.com/2008/05/20/frameworks-my-take-on-it/#comment-552 Hi Ryan, I'm afraid I didn't explain myself well enough, I agree with you and i do quite often choose to go the minimalist approach or without a framework at all. The whole point of my rant was that while cairngorm is setting itself as industry standard it lacks a lot of the functionality of pureMVC and a lot of the appeal of lighter frameworks. (as a i state in the final paragraph) Hi Ryan,
I’m afraid I didn’t explain myself well enough, I agree with you and i do quite often choose to go the minimalist approach or without a framework at all.
The whole point of my rant was that while cairngorm is setting itself as industry standard it lacks a lot of the functionality of pureMVC and a lot of the appeal of lighter frameworks. (as a i state in the final paragraph)

]]> By: ryan http://www.dreaminginflash.com/2008/05/20/frameworks-my-take-on-it/comment-page-1/#comment-548 ryan Wed, 22 Oct 2008 06:25:56 +0000 http://www.dreaminginflash.com/2008/05/20/frameworks-my-take-on-it/#comment-548 also have you tried using cairngen to setup your cairngorm projects? it generates a lot of code for you to start off your project and lets you hit the ground running... also have you tried using cairngen to setup your cairngorm projects? it generates a lot of code for you to start off your project and lets you hit the ground running…

]]> By: ryan http://www.dreaminginflash.com/2008/05/20/frameworks-my-take-on-it/comment-page-1/#comment-547 ryan Wed, 22 Oct 2008 06:23:25 +0000 http://www.dreaminginflash.com/2008/05/20/frameworks-my-take-on-it/#comment-547 not once do any of the available as3 frameworks state any "rules" they are merely just guidelines and honestly if you are looking for an excuse to write code all over the application you really don't need to blame a framework for trying to guide you in the right direction... if your project is too small to justify using a framework... well don't use a framework its that simple. i really understand where you coming from though because it seems like all these people are shouting their mouths off about how wonderfull their lives have become after purmvc or cairngorm... yeah they learnt a thing or two but at what cost and can they still do the same thing in less amount of time and code...? the app you mentioned sounded like it used a lot of dynamic data.. have you considered just using a proxy and the command pattern...? it's really a minimal amount of code and all you need to make calls to the server easy from any where in the application... don't be afraid to just say no to a framework and you really should not be using frameworks if you just want to fit in with everybody else... be a man say no to frameworks if you want too, but at least take the time to learn them so that you can put people in their place when they try to tell otherwise... not once do any of the available as3 frameworks state any “rules” they are merely just guidelines and honestly if you are looking for an excuse to write code all over the application you really don’t need to blame a framework for trying to guide you in the right direction…

if your project is too small to justify using a framework… well don’t use a framework its that simple.

i really understand where you coming from though because it seems like all these people are shouting their mouths off about how wonderfull their lives have become after purmvc or cairngorm… yeah they learnt a thing or two but at what cost and can they still do the same thing in less amount of time and code…?

the app you mentioned sounded like it used a lot of dynamic data.. have you considered just using a proxy and the command pattern…? it’s really a minimal amount of code and all you need to make calls to the server easy from any where in the application…

don’t be afraid to just say no to a framework and you really should not be using frameworks if you just want to fit in with everybody else… be a man say no to frameworks if you want too, but at least take the time to learn them so that you can put people in their place when they try to tell otherwise…

]]> By: Idoru http://www.dreaminginflash.com/2008/05/20/frameworks-my-take-on-it/comment-page-1/#comment-347 Idoru Wed, 21 May 2008 15:54:44 +0000 http://www.dreaminginflash.com/2008/05/20/frameworks-my-take-on-it/#comment-347 @Nuno - Well the thing is that pureMVC just made me feel a lot more confortable from the very beginning and had more support, hence my choice. @Anupam - I did but it felt to me more oriented for big enterprise level online applications. @Andr̩ - Thx ;) @Nuno РWell the thing is that pureMVC just made me feel a lot more confortable from the very beginning and had more support, hence my choice.

@Anupam – I did but it felt to me more oriented for big enterprise level online applications.

@Andr̩ РThx ;)

]]> By: André Medeiros http://www.dreaminginflash.com/2008/05/20/frameworks-my-take-on-it/comment-page-1/#comment-346 André Medeiros Wed, 21 May 2008 15:04:07 +0000 http://www.dreaminginflash.com/2008/05/20/frameworks-my-take-on-it/#comment-346 My thoughts exactly. Although I've been using haXe lately instead of ActionScript, pureMVC has been my framework of choice mostly because of the standards it makes you adhere. Great article. My thoughts exactly. Although I’ve been using haXe lately instead of ActionScript, pureMVC has been my framework of choice mostly because of the standards it makes you adhere.

Great article.

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